1 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:18,560 welcome to shattered reality with their 2 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:22,770 hosts Kate Valentine and first prepare 3 00:00:31,450 --> 00:00:25,770 to had a paradigm shifted in the truth 4 00:00:34,790 --> 00:00:31,460 questioned and now shattered reality oh 5 00:00:38,299 --> 00:00:34,800 welcome this is Kate Valentine welcoming 6 00:00:40,729 --> 00:00:38,309 you to the program and I'm furusho 7 00:00:43,789 --> 00:00:40,739 welcome to shattered reality and we 8 00:00:46,610 --> 00:00:43,799 certainly hope you help us to shatter 9 00:00:48,310 --> 00:00:46,620 some paradigms today and we'd like to 10 00:00:51,579 --> 00:00:48,320 welcome our guests 11 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:51,589 Natalie segment the author of 12 00:01:05,030 --> 00:00:55,049 application of impossible things I was 13 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:05,040 going to say a friend of mine as well as 14 00:01:14,830 --> 00:01:09,810 a colleague and I came to meet Natalie 15 00:01:20,929 --> 00:01:14,840 at a seminar at the Monroe Institute a 16 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:20,939 seminar lifelines which is a slightly 17 00:01:25,940 --> 00:01:23,369 advanced seminar in that you have to 18 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:25,950 have taken one or two other seminars 19 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:28,890 before you're permitted to access 20 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:31,890 lifelines is it just is it just gateway 21 00:01:40,149 --> 00:01:34,020 or is it gateway guidelines that you 22 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:40,159 have to have gone to okay and perhaps 23 00:01:49,069 --> 00:01:44,850 because you are now a facilitator at the 24 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:49,079 Monroe Institute and I am NOT perhaps 25 00:01:55,279 --> 00:01:52,530 you would like to just for the unyk the 26 00:01:57,380 --> 00:01:55,289 uninitiated listener 27 00:02:03,129 --> 00:01:57,390 what is the Monroe Institute and how did 28 00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:03,139 it start Institute is a research and 29 00:02:10,700 --> 00:02:06,780 educational institute nonprofit that was 30 00:02:14,619 --> 00:02:10,710 founded by Robert Monroe who Robert 31 00:02:18,170 --> 00:02:14,629 Monroe was a sound engineer and 32 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:18,180 businessman on the East Coast and in the 33 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:19,540 late 34 00:02:27,899 --> 00:02:24,120 early sixties he was experimenting with 35 00:02:30,630 --> 00:02:27,909 using sound binaural beats in particular 36 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:30,640 to help people learn during sleep and 37 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:32,829 that was that was kind of a sad at the 38 00:02:46,830 --> 00:02:36,400 time how do we accelerate learning by 39 00:02:48,149 --> 00:02:46,840 learning while we're sleeping I'm sorry 40 00:02:51,449 --> 00:02:48,159 I don't mean to interrupt what you were 41 00:02:53,789 --> 00:02:51,459 saying but I remember as a child hearing 42 00:02:55,410 --> 00:02:53,799 people buying records that they could 43 00:03:08,039 --> 00:02:55,420 listen to while they were asleep learn 44 00:03:12,210 --> 00:03:08,049 French while you're asleep so with these 45 00:03:15,659 --> 00:03:12,220 different he began to spontaneous 46 00:03:18,839 --> 00:03:15,669 out-of-body experiences he was dying he 47 00:03:21,899 --> 00:03:18,849 was very frightened and so he went to 48 00:03:23,729 --> 00:03:21,909 doctors every test he could find and he 49 00:03:27,860 --> 00:03:23,739 talked to a couple of psychiatrists and 50 00:03:30,629 --> 00:03:27,870 kind of on the fly and one of them said 51 00:03:32,369 --> 00:03:30,639 you need to go to an ashram in India 52 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:32,379 because people over there do this all 53 00:03:38,729 --> 00:03:36,250 the time and he thought well you know 54 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:38,739 I'm a big businessman here I have a lot 55 00:03:46,379 --> 00:03:41,169 of investments and my life is here in 56 00:03:48,719 --> 00:03:46,389 the West and and there's got to be there 57 00:03:54,649 --> 00:03:48,729 should be a language for this here in 58 00:03:57,599 --> 00:03:54,659 the West and so he he he formed the 59 00:03:59,729 --> 00:03:57,609 Monroe Institute mainly for research at 60 00:04:02,009 --> 00:03:59,739 the beginning into consciousness states 61 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:02,019 of consciousness he started to meet a 62 00:04:07,679 --> 00:04:03,430 lot of other people who were having 63 00:04:10,469 --> 00:04:07,689 these experiences and sort of doing set 64 00:04:14,099 --> 00:04:10,479 up a lab and started doing experiments 65 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:14,109 and then he was invited out to 66 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:17,289 California to somebody said you come out 67 00:04:22,350 --> 00:04:20,409 here and show us what you're doing with 68 00:04:25,260 --> 00:04:22,360 this group of people and some of these 69 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:25,270 people during the course of this 10-day 70 00:04:35,790 --> 00:04:33,040 experience also had so he started 71 00:04:39,450 --> 00:04:35,800 for me forming these now havin date 72 00:04:41,550 --> 00:04:39,460 programs instead of ten days for the 73 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:41,560 public anybody who wanted to come could 74 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:43,510 come and that helped fund some of the 75 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:46,990 research so this is this Institute I 76 00:04:51,150 --> 00:04:49,210 think it was established in the early 77 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:51,160 seventies so it's been around for quite 78 00:04:56,970 --> 00:04:53,970 a while located in Virginia 79 00:04:58,140 --> 00:04:56,980 yeah there's in the foothills of the 80 00:05:00,420 --> 00:04:58,150 Blue Ridge Mountains 81 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:00,430 not too far outside of Charlottesville 82 00:05:06,090 --> 00:05:03,370 so so that's where we met that's a good 83 00:05:08,580 --> 00:05:06,100 introduction for people who are unaware 84 00:05:10,950 --> 00:05:08,590 or have other ideas about what the 85 00:05:12,990 --> 00:05:10,960 Monroe Institute might be but we're 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:13,000 really here to talk about as you Natalie 87 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:15,730 and some of your interesting experiences 88 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:19,090 and one experience which most of us 89 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:39,340 would think of as some what maybe you 90 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:43,150 could talk to us a little bit about you 91 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:47,110 know how you got sent over to Iraq what 92 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:51,190 what what what happened to you and it 93 00:06:00,630 --> 00:05:54,970 happened to you all that what did you go 94 00:06:03,990 --> 00:06:00,640 there for the Bureau of Land Management 95 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:04,000 and I've been working for as an 96 00:06:10,290 --> 00:06:06,940 archaeologist for quite a while and I 97 00:06:15,770 --> 00:06:10,300 was know by this time I was pretty much 98 00:06:29,220 --> 00:06:26,130 management that wished for some reason I 99 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:29,230 would think like Southwest like Arizona 100 00:06:37,770 --> 00:06:31,360 had to pay all those type of areas 101 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:47,230 flashy archeology I'm sorry what were 102 00:06:59,110 --> 00:06:49,430 you studying in Oregon the I guess the 103 00:07:08,850 --> 00:06:59,120 Pacific tribes are brown disturbing 104 00:07:13,570 --> 00:07:08,860 activity takes place on public lands oh 105 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:13,580 you know if if a rancher if the ranching 106 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:16,010 sort of section of the BLM was building 107 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:17,690 a sense I had to go out and walk that 108 00:07:23,620 --> 00:07:20,080 fence line where someone was putting in 109 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:23,630 water tanks for some horses or some 110 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:25,850 cattle I had to go and look at that area 111 00:07:36,820 --> 00:07:33,250 or pipelines or row you know so I was 112 00:07:40,330 --> 00:07:36,830 just looking at the surface of the 113 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:40,340 ground primarily I was also I also did a 114 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:43,640 lot of work on the Owyhee Wild and 115 00:07:48,970 --> 00:07:46,400 Scenic River where there's besides a lot 116 00:07:55,810 --> 00:07:48,980 of ground sites there's also a huge 117 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:55,820 amount of petroglyphs interesting Wow so 118 00:08:18,250 --> 00:07:57,890 obviously there's a lot more archaeology 119 00:08:20,860 --> 00:08:18,260 interact at Oregon I guess I I wanted to 120 00:08:24,010 --> 00:08:20,870 get out of that administrative role and 121 00:08:28,030 --> 00:08:24,020 so I was kind of looking around for 122 00:08:30,490 --> 00:08:28,040 other jobs and while I was looking the 123 00:08:32,830 --> 00:08:30,500 the corps of engineers the Army Corps of 124 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:32,840 Engineers put out a call to all federal 125 00:08:37,750 --> 00:08:35,810 agencies asking for volunteers to come 126 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:37,760 down and help with Katrina hurricane 127 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:40,969 Katrina cleanup so I volunteered for 128 00:08:45,670 --> 00:08:43,370 that and I went down there for about two 129 00:08:48,290 --> 00:08:45,680 and a half months and worked in 130 00:08:51,019 --> 00:08:48,300 Louisiana and Mississippi and 131 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:51,029 in the course of that I met some other 132 00:08:58,370 --> 00:08:53,970 people met some people from the Corps of 133 00:09:00,650 --> 00:08:58,380 Engineers and later some of those 134 00:09:02,269 --> 00:09:00,660 friends called me up and said do you 135 00:09:20,750 --> 00:09:02,279 want to go work in Iraq because they're 136 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:20,760 desperate for people to see what's 137 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:22,290 really going on over there and what's it 138 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:24,990 like you know to be in that Laura Bowman 139 00:09:31,250 --> 00:09:28,529 and I don't know curiosity curiosity 140 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:31,260 kills the cat well you are a very brave 141 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:40,890 lady yeah regardless of the media seems 142 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:43,170 to be not as trustworthy as it used to 143 00:09:55,790 --> 00:09:51,259 there's also the fact that when you're 144 00:09:58,310 --> 00:09:55,800 reading a story about something they 145 00:10:00,139 --> 00:09:58,320 can't include everything you know again 146 00:10:04,670 --> 00:10:00,149 including the smells and they can't 147 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:04,680 include kinesthetic they don't have the 148 00:10:10,220 --> 00:10:07,110 room to talk about the spaces in between 149 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:10,230 what's going on you know you go over 150 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:12,240 there and it becomes your experience 151 00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:14,510 which is very very different 152 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:16,860 absolutely yeah the kinesthetic sense 153 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:19,410 alone of being there is it up is 154 00:10:25,220 --> 00:10:23,250 unmatched I'm sure so so I'm sorry I 155 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:25,230 didn't I was just really curious as to 156 00:10:30,699 --> 00:10:28,380 why you had left to go there so I'll go 157 00:10:35,060 --> 00:10:30,709 ahead fro sure I'm sorry I interrupted 158 00:10:37,610 --> 00:10:35,070 it's very interesting so so you get 159 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:37,620 there and obviously they assign you to 160 00:10:45,439 --> 00:10:42,920 stuff I was in charge of because I had 161 00:10:46,939 --> 00:10:45,449 during the course of doing archaeology I 162 00:10:48,590 --> 00:10:46,949 have some experience with government 163 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:48,600 contracts and running government 164 00:10:57,170 --> 00:10:52,110 contracts and that's why they hired me 165 00:10:59,500 --> 00:10:57,180 and I was hired to to be kind of a 166 00:11:01,880 --> 00:10:59,510 project manager to oversee construction 167 00:11:04,250 --> 00:11:01,890 project 168 00:11:06,019 --> 00:11:04,260 and you know baby system make sure that 169 00:11:07,819 --> 00:11:06,029 everybody was doing things right take 170 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:07,829 care of some of the money and that kind 171 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:13,890 of thing and for the reconstruction 172 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:17,850 effort the reconstruction effort in Iraq 173 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:22,050 and and so you were there for a while 174 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:26,850 and then one day something something 175 00:11:35,690 --> 00:11:33,990 changed without giving it away perhaps 176 00:11:37,550 --> 00:11:35,700 you would without me giving it away 177 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:37,560 telling your story perhaps you'd like to 178 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:40,050 tell us a little bit about that day and 179 00:11:46,660 --> 00:11:43,260 what happened to you sir 180 00:11:51,079 --> 00:11:46,670 I had an in-country about 16 months and 181 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:51,089 I was going outside the wire as we put 182 00:11:58,130 --> 00:11:54,570 it off base with some colleagues to look 183 00:12:00,139 --> 00:11:58,140 at some of those construction site so we 184 00:12:03,829 --> 00:12:00,149 were gonna visit for water treatment 185 00:12:06,139 --> 00:12:03,839 plants and one road project and I was 186 00:12:08,449 --> 00:12:06,149 with when we went off base we would 187 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:08,459 travel in a for vehicle convoy 188 00:12:12,439 --> 00:12:10,800 well usually a three vehicle convoy but 189 00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:12,449 in this case I was with three colleagues 190 00:12:19,699 --> 00:12:15,839 and they can only have two of us in a 191 00:12:21,439 --> 00:12:19,709 vehicle so we we had two what we called 192 00:12:24,980 --> 00:12:21,449 principal vehicles and then we had a 193 00:12:28,269 --> 00:12:24,990 lead vehicle and a gun truck and back 194 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:28,279 all of these are of armored vehicles and 195 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:32,250 we had a crew of ten or twelve guards 196 00:12:40,790 --> 00:12:36,000 and we also had an escort of Iraqi 197 00:12:42,860 --> 00:12:40,800 police on that day because that that 198 00:12:45,710 --> 00:12:42,870 province had been turned over to Iraqi 199 00:12:49,310 --> 00:12:45,720 governments so whatever we went out we 200 00:12:53,300 --> 00:12:49,320 needed to have a presence of theirs with 201 00:12:55,819 --> 00:12:53,310 us so we went out visited the for water 202 00:12:59,630 --> 00:12:55,829 treatment plants and the road project 203 00:13:02,300 --> 00:12:59,640 and on our way back to base the vehicle 204 00:13:09,650 --> 00:13:02,310 that I was traveling in was hit with the 205 00:13:13,579 --> 00:13:09,660 roadside bomb and well at the moment of 206 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:13,589 the explosion or just before I left my 207 00:13:17,009 --> 00:13:15,250 body 208 00:13:18,509 --> 00:13:17,019 in the truck and I was kind of had on 209 00:13:21,150 --> 00:13:18,519 hand half asleep could have been a 210 00:13:22,829 --> 00:13:21,160 really one day and I was kind of half 211 00:13:26,249 --> 00:13:22,839 asleep in the back of the truck when the 212 00:13:29,629 --> 00:13:26,259 bomb went off and I was in the truck 213 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:29,639 half asleep and then I was not and I 214 00:13:39,259 --> 00:13:34,810 found myself I was standing on a kind of 215 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:39,269 stage and arrayed all around me were 216 00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:42,850 thousands of beings and it was kind of 217 00:13:48,150 --> 00:13:45,100 you know as a visual you might think of 218 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:48,160 a stadium I was standing in the open 219 00:13:56,780 --> 00:13:51,670 area and all these thousands of beings 220 00:14:01,710 --> 00:13:56,790 around me and they appeared to me as 221 00:14:03,809 --> 00:14:01,720 faces and wearing white rope and I was 222 00:14:06,590 --> 00:14:03,819 well I won't go into the details about 223 00:14:09,650 --> 00:14:06,600 that right now I guess I'll let you guys 224 00:14:15,869 --> 00:14:09,660 won't leave me where you want me to go I 225 00:14:19,170 --> 00:14:15,879 will I will kind of just put in a 226 00:14:21,929 --> 00:14:19,180 comment here that you know I've never 227 00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:21,939 been in anywhere near in the situation 228 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:25,120 that you were in but that I once did a 229 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:29,170 black box session down at Monroe and as 230 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:32,050 I had mentioned to you before I found 231 00:14:38,490 --> 00:14:35,889 myself in a stadium looking up at the 232 00:14:41,009 --> 00:14:38,500 stands and there were all these people 233 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:41,019 up there not as many as with you just 234 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:45,370 you know maybe 100 or 200 and there were 235 00:14:52,410 --> 00:14:50,290 ask me why the heck was I I wondered at 236 00:14:54,869 --> 00:14:52,420 the time after actually after I got out 237 00:15:02,840 --> 00:14:54,879 of the box well that was a very weird 238 00:15:08,009 --> 00:15:06,030 vision if you will in an altered state 239 00:15:10,110 --> 00:15:08,019 of consciousness I had no thoughts about 240 00:15:13,319 --> 00:15:10,120 doing anything like such like thing 241 00:15:15,540 --> 00:15:13,329 before and it so happens that your 242 00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:15,550 experience though it was much richer and 243 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:18,160 much longer than mine it does somehow 244 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:20,889 confirm my experience that this you know 245 00:15:27,850 --> 00:15:23,050 this is something that happens to you 246 00:15:30,250 --> 00:15:27,860 when you do leave your body well 247 00:15:33,310 --> 00:15:30,260 and there are infinite possibilities so 248 00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:33,320 maybe that maybe some of us are working 249 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:37,390 with a group or a number of groups who 250 00:15:43,870 --> 00:15:41,570 who kind of look the same or are working 251 00:15:47,340 --> 00:15:43,880 in the same way or something yeah yeah I 252 00:15:51,730 --> 00:15:47,350 heard I've had quite a few people 253 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:51,740 looking I've had quite a few people say 254 00:15:59,410 --> 00:15:54,530 to me that's familiar to me I've been 255 00:16:02,650 --> 00:15:59,420 there yes so you know it's not just my 256 00:16:04,450 --> 00:16:02,660 experience that maybe there's quite a 257 00:16:06,190 --> 00:16:04,460 few of us either working with the same 258 00:16:11,860 --> 00:16:06,200 group or maybe there are a number of 259 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:11,870 groups like that yes yeah it does it 260 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:14,900 does seem that way myself no one else 261 00:16:20,110 --> 00:16:17,570 other than yourself has ever told me 262 00:16:22,270 --> 00:16:20,120 that so getting out of that black box 263 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:22,280 before I you know maybe a year or two 264 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:25,370 before I had met you I was perplexed by 265 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:26,930 the vision and you know I had it written 266 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:28,730 down in my notes and everything and and 267 00:16:34,510 --> 00:16:31,720 our fearless leader skip had had 268 00:16:36,820 --> 00:16:34,520 categorized the whole experience for me 269 00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:36,830 in terms of my biology and everything so 270 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:38,720 you know I have that whole record there 271 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:43,490 and so it was very very interesting to 272 00:16:52,180 --> 00:16:46,720 me that you reported this very similar 273 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:52,190 experience but after after you left your 274 00:17:00,460 --> 00:16:55,250 body tell us more about the experience 275 00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:00,470 that you had in the spiritual stadium I 276 00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:02,000 will call it that if you don't mind it 277 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:26,530 of the physical self being essence of 278 00:17:41,980 --> 00:17:39,130 for she's the one that really gets into 279 00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:41,990 this so like your but your physical body 280 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:51,880 sitting here or asleep or whatever okay 281 00:17:57,130 --> 00:17:54,650 say that you know there's a situation 282 00:17:59,650 --> 00:17:57,140 which people do meditation on a very 283 00:18:02,260 --> 00:17:59,660 daily basis where you have the condition 284 00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:02,270 of body asleep mind awake and then 285 00:18:07,870 --> 00:18:05,600 sometimes you go out further and went 286 00:18:11,230 --> 00:18:07,880 the point at which you lose track of 287 00:18:14,380 --> 00:18:11,240 your actual body and in Natalie's case 288 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:14,390 in this particular situation I think 289 00:18:22,690 --> 00:18:16,970 that she was very aware of an immediate 290 00:18:32,159 --> 00:18:27,520 you know we we're trained to associate 291 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:32,169 our awareness in our minds with our body 292 00:18:42,570 --> 00:18:38,690 our minds are aware this encompasses the 293 00:18:48,669 --> 00:18:42,580 body the body doesn't hold the mind so 294 00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:48,679 you know I often give this example of us 295 00:18:52,930 --> 00:18:51,200 sometimes beating sort of out of body 296 00:18:55,419 --> 00:18:52,940 without even being aware of that say 297 00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:55,429 you're driving home from work you know 298 00:18:58,960 --> 00:18:56,960 you leave work if you're not into the 299 00:19:00,940 --> 00:18:58,970 road and you get all the way at home you 300 00:19:05,010 --> 00:19:00,950 don't pull into your driveway and go 301 00:19:08,590 --> 00:19:05,020 whoa a single thing about that drive 302 00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:08,600 okay well your focus was somewhere 303 00:19:22,299 --> 00:19:11,120 totally different your you know your 304 00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:22,309 awareness was focused there really the 305 00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:24,980 only limits on our awareness and where 306 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:28,640 it can focus and how it can focus is our 307 00:19:35,470 --> 00:19:32,690 belief if we believe that that our mind 308 00:19:37,539 --> 00:19:35,480 exists in the body then it's going to be 309 00:19:40,270 --> 00:19:37,549 very difficult for us to kind of get to 310 00:19:43,090 --> 00:19:40,280 get our get beyond that but if we 311 00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:43,100 believe that the body is one place that 312 00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:46,820 the awareness or the mind or the being 313 00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:50,720 that we are experiences 314 00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:54,080 and that awareness or that being is free 315 00:20:01,630 --> 00:19:56,720 to go anywhere then that really changes 316 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:01,640 our idea of what would you say it would 317 00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:04,250 you say that the brain is almost like a 318 00:20:16,030 --> 00:20:08,320 radio tuner two or three or four D or 319 00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:16,040 three or four D experience you know it 320 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:18,470 doesn't hold all the information it's 321 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:22,370 it's how we process the information or 322 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:24,650 yeah tune in to the information and then 323 00:20:30,970 --> 00:20:28,130 bring it through the body 324 00:20:34,210 --> 00:20:30,980 I like the radio tuner I use that a lot 325 00:20:36,510 --> 00:20:34,220 because you know without realizing it 326 00:20:42,010 --> 00:20:36,520 we're always changing our radio station 327 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:42,020 you know - a our mind wanders well yeah 328 00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:46,010 you know the radio station kind of the 329 00:20:49,780 --> 00:20:47,870 indicator went down the dial a little 330 00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:49,790 bit and then it we brought it back to 331 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:52,160 this present moment you know talking 332 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:55,130 with somebody or driving or whatever but 333 00:21:01,390 --> 00:20:57,890 we're always kind of moving around and 334 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:01,400 we can learn to and practice choosing 335 00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,340 the focus that we want to choose yes so 336 00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:06,080 you know and that's kind of what the 337 00:21:09,970 --> 00:21:09,350 Monroe Institute is about is and a lot 338 00:21:13,450 --> 00:21:09,980 of others 339 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:13,460 you know the shamanic traditions are 340 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:17,330 doing the same thing and even prayer and 341 00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:20,690 meditation all these things are they're 342 00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:23,870 training the mind that you can focus 343 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:26,480 that mind anywhere you want to and you 344 00:21:32,170 --> 00:21:29,510 can quote travel outside the body or in 345 00:21:34,930 --> 00:21:32,180 between time or you know however you 346 00:21:36,790 --> 00:21:34,940 want to put that sometimes it seems more 347 00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:36,800 real than others I mean sometimes it's 348 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,190 more palpable than others and I am 349 00:21:46,420 --> 00:21:43,280 getting that your particular experience 350 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:46,430 in in the blink or in popping out of 351 00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:51,290 your body was very palpable it's like I 352 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:54,190 took all of my focus instantly with me 353 00:22:00,040 --> 00:21:57,530 instead of kind of you know I'm driving 354 00:22:02,260 --> 00:22:00,050 down the road and and almost all of my 355 00:22:04,510 --> 00:22:02,270 mind is somewhere else but I'm doing all 356 00:22:08,350 --> 00:22:04,520 the right things in my body 357 00:22:10,030 --> 00:22:08,360 and I can kind of on some level I'm 358 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:10,040 still kind of aware that I'm in the body 359 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:12,770 this was different I was I took all my 360 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:14,990 awareness out of my body that's the 361 00:22:22,690 --> 00:22:18,530 sense that I had I was totally elsewhere 362 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:22,700 I had no interest in the body I had no 363 00:22:27,220 --> 00:22:25,130 thoughts to the body I knew where I'd 364 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:27,230 come from and I didn't I didn't care I 365 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:28,790 had just left that and I didn't care 366 00:22:34,299 --> 00:22:32,150 about it somewhere else now my entire 367 00:22:36,460 --> 00:22:34,309 focus was it's actually where I was I 368 00:22:38,650 --> 00:22:36,470 call it the blink environment because 369 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:38,660 that's how quickly I mean I was here and 370 00:22:45,220 --> 00:22:41,050 then I was there that's like a blink and 371 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:45,230 so yeah there was no attention I was 372 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:48,470 entirely where I was now what what 373 00:22:57,730 --> 00:22:53,210 caused you to decide or be pressed to 374 00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:57,740 come back yeah well I communicated to 375 00:23:01,120 --> 00:22:59,090 these all these beams that I wasn't 376 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:01,130 gonna go back and they were like okay 377 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:05,809 but they said that they communicated to 378 00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:11,000 me that my particular skills with some 379 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:12,980 particular energies word would be very 380 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:14,690 useful at this time in this physical 381 00:23:19,390 --> 00:23:17,090 world and what I like to come back if I 382 00:23:21,340 --> 00:23:19,400 could do this this and that and I don't 383 00:23:22,270 --> 00:23:21,350 remember all those things and I probably 384 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:22,280 wouldn't tell you whether they were 385 00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:24,410 anyway because they're mine and you guys 386 00:23:31,630 --> 00:23:29,600 have your own right but those things 387 00:23:52,290 --> 00:23:31,640 sounded interesting to me they sort of 388 00:24:09,549 --> 00:23:59,440 that is for out-of-body experiences 389 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:16,100 Wow about to stuff it fascinates me so 390 00:24:21,070 --> 00:24:19,049 you're in this sort of a stadium type 391 00:24:25,930 --> 00:24:21,080 and you have what you describe as 392 00:24:32,150 --> 00:24:25,940 personalities or beings around you and 393 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:32,160 there's sort of there's no like higher 394 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:34,710 godlike type figure everybody's sort of 395 00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:38,820 on the same plane and instantaneously 396 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:44,100 communicating that's wow I'm sorry this 397 00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:46,710 is my first experience writing your book 398 00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:49,260 really getting into this and I found it 399 00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:51,809 just fascinating well you know 400 00:24:58,150 --> 00:24:54,120 absolutely and meeting Natalie was a 401 00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,160 very fascinating experience for me and 402 00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:01,679 certainly my acquaintance with her is 403 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:04,740 one that I shall shall never forget even 404 00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:08,130 I think after I leave the the for the 405 00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:10,919 environment that we're in I fully expect 406 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:12,360 to see Natalie floating out there 407 00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:18,090 sometime with me so I mean I I don't 408 00:25:23,299 --> 00:25:20,580 want to shortchange your experience so I 409 00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:23,309 want you to take this kind of where 410 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:25,140 you'd like what would you like to say 411 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:29,130 next about your experience either coming 412 00:25:36,770 --> 00:25:32,490 back into the body or further details 413 00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:36,780 about being out of the body you came 414 00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:39,510 back and you had to suffer a great deal 415 00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:41,910 I take it you know with physical 416 00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:46,380 infirmities of that that are go along 417 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:49,559 with getting blown up and sure and it's 418 00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:51,570 something that you know most of us would 419 00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:54,480 just look upon with incredible dread and 420 00:26:00,650 --> 00:25:58,020 fear of pain I hope that you negotiated 421 00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:00,660 some pain management with the guys in 422 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:02,280 the stadium as part of the reasons for 423 00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:04,260 coming back I sure as heck would have 424 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:12,059 put that high on my list the pain part 425 00:26:16,490 --> 00:26:14,730 but I'll tell you you know that that 426 00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,500 stadium environment wasn't my whole 427 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:18,720 experience and I'll just briefly kind of 428 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:20,730 go through the rest experience because 429 00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:21,510 that 430 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:25,230 it did in form I think it did inform how 431 00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:29,090 I thought about my recovery and how I 432 00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:31,920 how I thought in general after I came 433 00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:36,990 back and because when you say suffer 434 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:38,760 pain I mean I didn't suffer 435 00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:41,010 I never suffered you know that there's a 436 00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:43,680 Buddhist thing pain is inevitable 437 00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:45,960 suffering is optional that's right 438 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:49,710 that's right state of mind and so I'll 439 00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:51,690 just briefly go through sort of the rest 440 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:53,400 of my experience and popping back into 441 00:26:59,540 --> 00:26:56,850 the body and is how I think that 442 00:27:02,240 --> 00:26:59,550 informed what I experienced when I came 443 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:02,250 back so I'm in the stadium with the 444 00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:04,890 thousands of beings and then when we 445 00:27:09,140 --> 00:27:07,230 were kind of finished communicating I 446 00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:09,150 blinked to another place which I call 447 00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:11,940 the deep rest environment and I was it 448 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:14,880 was deeply deeply peaceful it was like 449 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:21,810 the most refreshing relaxing you can 450 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:24,870 imagine and here are some beings were 451 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:28,290 sort of tinkering with what I call sort 452 00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:29,880 of the structure of my consciousness 453 00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:31,380 it's like they were just giving me a 454 00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,900 little tune-up or something and I did 455 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:35,520 what some people might call a life 456 00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:38,570 review but for me it was very much just 457 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:43,620 looking at interesting things not oh I 458 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:45,690 did something wrong or oh they did 459 00:27:49,870 --> 00:27:48,210 something wrong or oh that hurt it was 460 00:27:54,530 --> 00:27:49,880 more like worthy it's interesting 461 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:54,540 intersection and how can i exploit those 462 00:27:59,030 --> 00:27:57,090 or oh I can do that next on that look at 463 00:28:00,860 --> 00:27:59,040 what happened there you know so it was 464 00:28:03,020 --> 00:28:00,870 the interesting things that caught my 465 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:03,030 attention sure and then when I when I 466 00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:05,460 was through there I blinked again and I 467 00:28:09,050 --> 00:28:06,630 was in what I call the healing 468 00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,060 environment I was with one really good 469 00:28:15,170 --> 00:28:11,820 friend I just call them 470 00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:15,180 I guess these beings I mean but to me 471 00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:17,280 they're like people right so I should 472 00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:20,070 find a word but there's being that I 473 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:21,900 knew there very well we were very old 474 00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:23,640 friends and then another one who seemed 475 00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:25,260 to be kind of watching us and learning 476 00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:27,240 from us or something and in this 477 00:28:32,150 --> 00:28:29,790 environment I was we were up above the 478 00:28:35,270 --> 00:28:32,160 truck the blown-up truck down on the 479 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:35,280 desert and and looking 480 00:28:39,650 --> 00:28:36,930 and we could see into the truck and 481 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:39,660 could see we could see things are solid 482 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:42,050 and we could also see the organization 483 00:28:49,570 --> 00:28:45,210 hold the physical forms in their in 484 00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:49,580 their recognizable forms and so we were 485 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:53,670 kind of with our intention we were 486 00:29:00,410 --> 00:28:57,210 playing around with giving setting my 487 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:00,420 injuries choosing my injuries and we 488 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:02,100 were laughing because they were variants 489 00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:04,530 that this was very very funny too from 490 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:07,320 that perspective you know oh should we 491 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:10,050 knock out half her brain and I didn't 492 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:11,250 ago she ate the rest of her life 493 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:30,450 yeah so getting back to you being in 494 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:33,750 this environment the third environment 495 00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:37,610 where you are somewhat above the 496 00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:40,980 vehicles and deciding upon what injuries 497 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:43,940 you might sustained with another being 498 00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:47,850 back you know coming back into today's 499 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:52,200 time how does that how does that compute 500 00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:55,770 with your life today in other words you 501 00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:00,140 know the natural human instinct is to be 502 00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:02,820 somewhat I try to live in the present 503 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:04,200 and I try not to do a whole lot of 504 00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:06,150 suffering by thinking a whole lot about 505 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:08,160 what is going to happen to me in the 506 00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,410 future and past pain and so forth like 507 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:12,720 that so I'm right there with you in the 508 00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:15,090 idea that you can't avoid pain but you 509 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:16,950 can't avoid suffering you know that kind 510 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:19,770 of I guess it's a Buddhist idea 511 00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,000 basically but you know and now that 512 00:30:30,050 --> 00:30:27,360 you're back in in the 4d world a lot of 513 00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:30,060 the time and you're negotiating you know 514 00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:32,700 driving home in a car and and going to 515 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:35,070 California or doing one of the many many 516 00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:37,410 things that you might do has your 517 00:30:43,790 --> 00:30:40,500 perspective shifted back a little bit so 518 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:43,800 that you realize on some level that to a 519 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:47,130 person who hasn't been consciously in 520 00:30:50,270 --> 00:30:48,450 that environment 521 00:30:52,270 --> 00:30:50,280 that it is it could be a very 522 00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:52,280 frightening thing for that person oh 523 00:31:02,540 --> 00:30:58,880 absolutely yeah you know I can say well 524 00:31:08,150 --> 00:31:02,550 from my experience I can say we all 525 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:08,160 choose our experiences and so we classes 526 00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:11,850 this experience so even if we are 527 00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:15,240 uncomfortable or in pain or something we 528 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:19,260 can we did that for me that's one of 529 00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:22,410 valuable reasons and the pain and the 530 00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:25,260 discomfort may seem like it takes 531 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:28,440 forever here but once we're out of our 532 00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:31,290 bodies it is under students just sort of 533 00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:34,440 the flash you know it doesn't it's not 534 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:37,920 endless yeah when we're in the body 535 00:31:46,330 --> 00:31:42,090 it's oh it can be horrible it can be 536 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:46,340 very very difficult those those those 537 00:31:53,390 --> 00:31:50,490 experiences have value and because I had 538 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:53,400 my experience and no I remember choosing 539 00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:55,650 my injuries and I remember why I chose 540 00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:01,200 them so for me how can you suffer when 541 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:07,140 you know that you chose easier for you 542 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:15,090 to to come back and recuperate when I 543 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:18,090 was still in the hospital in Walter Reed 544 00:32:27,260 --> 00:32:21,810 Army Medical Center one in particular I 545 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:27,270 was lying in bed going oh I had an eye 546 00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:30,090 injury they didn't know at that time 547 00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:31,620 whether I'd be able to see out of it or 548 00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:38,070 not so I'm lying in bed late at night I 549 00:32:45,530 --> 00:32:43,680 was getting a little bit down and all of 550 00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:45,540 a sudden of this plot came into my head 551 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:48,390 it doesn't matter it's only for 40 more 552 00:32:57,530 --> 00:32:54,750 meters was so real I mean I felt and I 553 00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:57,540 felt both of those at once and I thought 554 00:33:02,330 --> 00:32:59,610 wow this is really cool and then I 555 00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:02,340 started laughing because I thought wow 556 00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:04,980 that probably sounds demented but it's 557 00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,220 only for 40 more years yes I was 558 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:10,880 experiencing that I felt that I 559 00:33:15,170 --> 00:33:13,770 understood it's only for 40 more years 560 00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:15,180 it's not a big deal 561 00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:19,590 that's not that's a blink of an eye yeah 562 00:33:27,890 --> 00:33:23,310 it definitely influenced my my how I 563 00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:27,900 viewed my experience in recuperation 564 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:33,470 yeah so after you were in this space of 565 00:33:39,290 --> 00:33:36,210 choosing your injuries and conferring 566 00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:39,300 with your friend and colleague you did 567 00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:42,030 you did come back into your body with it 568 00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:45,900 was that the next the next step yeah I 569 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:52,350 came down was like I blinked and I was 570 00:33:59,180 --> 00:33:56,850 next I was within the scene so the truck 571 00:34:01,520 --> 00:33:59,190 was beside me and the desert I'm 572 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:01,530 standing on the desert but it was as if 573 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:04,410 I was between time and space so nothing 574 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:06,210 was moving it was sort of one of those 575 00:34:14,630 --> 00:34:11,490 Twilight Zone things were near the only 576 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:14,640 thing moving in the landscape and and I 577 00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:17,250 was with a bunch of other beings and we 578 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:19,800 were talking about things on a much more 579 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,990 sort of nuts and bolts level you know 580 00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:24,240 now we're right in the physical right 581 00:34:29,659 --> 00:34:26,910 reality and talking about it from that 582 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:29,669 perspective knowing that parts of it 583 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:31,530 we're going to be uncomfortable and 584 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:35,370 difficult and just kind of setting some 585 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:38,370 things up for myself from that viewpoint 586 00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:40,410 and then I just popped back into the 587 00:35:04,650 --> 00:34:57,590 body before you came back saying that 588 00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:08,450 the actual let's say quanta of whatever 589 00:35:26,970 --> 00:35:24,760 molecules are in your body that's that 590 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:26,980 little particular description very 591 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:35,770 fascinating yeah solid and really well 592 00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:37,990 what's organizing that energy you know 593 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:40,660 it's in tension it's holding an 594 00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:51,870 that is energy and you know someone 595 00:36:28,350 --> 00:35:55,390 might call it the Holy Spirit or someone 596 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:28,360 might call it it's what creates so on a 597 00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:31,900 very practical level Natalie on a very 598 00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:37,020 practical level in you know the kind of 599 00:36:42,270 --> 00:36:39,700 self-help new-age whatever you want to 600 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:42,280 call it philosophies that are practiced 601 00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:44,950 and I do not say those words with any 602 00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:47,350 detriment at all you know totally 603 00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,230 without detriment 604 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:52,000 we often talk of and I talk with my 605 00:36:56,370 --> 00:36:54,130 clients about having an intention in 606 00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,380 life you know choosing something that 607 00:37:00,960 --> 00:36:58,480 you are intending and keeping your 608 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:00,970 thoughts positive about that intention 609 00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:03,610 and not allowing self-doubt to creep 610 00:37:08,970 --> 00:37:05,800 into often we can't keep it out entirely 611 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:08,980 probably if we're human but that we 612 00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,130 focus on on on the bright side and that 613 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:14,560 we have the intention and we move 614 00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:18,880 towards the intention in a positive 615 00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:21,670 is there anything about that that 616 00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:23,950 relates to the intention that you are 617 00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:27,160 speaking of or is this just a new-age 618 00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,190 mumbo-jumbo energy notion because they 619 00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:40,960 are part of an intention you know I 620 00:37:48,860 --> 00:37:44,860 thought for real and they they shape 621 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:48,870 energy they are their creators and so 622 00:37:55,290 --> 00:37:51,670 when you hold your attention on 623 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:55,300 something positive you're feeding your 624 00:38:01,950 --> 00:37:57,850 feeding energy and intention into that 625 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:01,960 positivity whereas if you concentrate on 626 00:38:06,030 --> 00:38:04,450 something negative you're feeding energy 627 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:06,040 into that negative thing and where 628 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:08,290 energy goes you know there's more 629 00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:11,290 creation going on so why do you want to 630 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:14,080 create more negativity that I do take 631 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:18,250 issue with you know just focus on the 632 00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:20,050 positive focus on the positive right 633 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:22,600 because that's too simplistic what 634 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:24,910 happens is then when when something 635 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:27,250 difficult or something apparently 636 00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:30,400 negative comes up in someone's mind and 637 00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:32,710 they try to slap it down or they they 638 00:38:36,090 --> 00:38:35,260 try to plaster over it or they argue 639 00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,100 with themselves 640 00:38:42,060 --> 00:38:38,560 it creates the competition within you 641 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:42,070 and we're all going to have difficult 642 00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:43,930 things just uncomfortable things 643 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:48,400 quote negative things and if we instead 644 00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,490 make friends with those instead you know 645 00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:54,160 when that when that negative quote saw 646 00:39:00,360 --> 00:38:58,000 it comes up you say hello I see you I'm 647 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:00,370 not gonna argue with you but let's try 648 00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:02,410 something different let's go this way 649 00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:05,230 come along with me and then you're not 650 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:07,270 arguing with yourself you're not setting 651 00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:09,510 up all that tension inside yourself 652 00:39:14,850 --> 00:39:12,190 you've got to be able to make friends 653 00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:14,860 with all parts of yourself your shadows 654 00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:17,590 there's value in all of those parts of 655 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,040 yourself and and you know too often it's 656 00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:22,960 like oh you're so negative just think 657 00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:25,540 positive well then that's not solving it 658 00:39:30,090 --> 00:39:27,940 you know go ahead and look at those 659 00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:30,100 negatives negatives and I say quote 660 00:39:33,370 --> 00:39:32,030 negative because you know 661 00:39:35,650 --> 00:39:33,380 whole positive and negative thing 662 00:39:40,450 --> 00:39:35,660 doesn't even make sense from where I was 663 00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:40,460 right but you know make friends with 664 00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:42,110 those negative things get to know them 665 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:43,670 because really their messages from 666 00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:46,310 yourself you know so listen to those 667 00:39:53,230 --> 00:39:50,720 messages and then say okay you know I 668 00:39:58,330 --> 00:39:53,240 hear you and maybe there's a new way to 669 00:40:01,960 --> 00:39:58,340 respond to this or to a new direction to 670 00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:01,970 take this quote negative energy and 671 00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:04,630 great and bring it with me into this and 672 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:07,220 transform it into something positive 673 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:09,650 well there are like three ways I could 674 00:40:16,060 --> 00:40:13,610 see that you could go with this first of 675 00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:16,070 all the one thing that I am struck by in 676 00:40:23,230 --> 00:40:19,580 most people is the repetitive thinking 677 00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,240 all of us we have a lot of repetitive 678 00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:26,480 thinking things that go on in our minds 679 00:40:34,570 --> 00:40:30,590 over and over again and in the case of 680 00:40:37,450 --> 00:40:34,580 that particular situation where it's not 681 00:40:41,350 --> 00:40:37,460 a negative thought that is an original 682 00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:41,360 thought you know a one of kind or a 683 00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:43,190 one-off thought it's that kind of 684 00:40:50,350 --> 00:40:47,600 repetitive train of thought that's going 685 00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:50,360 through most people's brains and has a 686 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:54,230 component of self-hatred if you will or 687 00:40:59,050 --> 00:40:57,050 a lack of confidence in it so when you 688 00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,060 when you get that sort of thing I'm 689 00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,040 talking on a very practical level now 690 00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:03,440 I've brought the conversation down from 691 00:41:16,660 --> 00:41:07,820 the the higher level to a very practical 692 00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:16,670 thing right the application but in that 693 00:41:23,110 --> 00:41:19,400 case you know I tend to go towards core 694 00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:23,120 beliefs with with people but there can 695 00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,950 be the thought that you're talking about 696 00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:27,200 I think if I'm understanding you right 697 00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:29,870 is if there is a novel negative thought 698 00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:32,300 something different than oh you know I'm 699 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:34,460 worthless which is just that kind of 700 00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:37,130 repetitive thought but a novel negative 701 00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:39,320 thought comes in you do have to look at 702 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:40,820 where that came from 703 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:43,130 you know why are you getting that kind 704 00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:45,170 of thing is there someplace is there 705 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:48,020 something to be learned from going down 706 00:42:17,500 --> 00:41:50,330 that pathway of the novel negative 707 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:17,510 thought you know we have you know we 708 00:42:24,370 --> 00:42:21,370 have a lot of training we have a lot of 709 00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:24,380 we have a lot of enculturation 710 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:31,460 that that kind of has muddied up who we 711 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:35,450 really are and and what we're capable of 712 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:39,170 and and so it's not you know I'm not 713 00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:45,110 saying if you make friends with that 714 00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:48,140 dark side or the negativity and say 715 00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:50,390 hello I hear you you know 716 00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:53,720 who are you or what are you trying to 717 00:42:58,450 --> 00:42:55,430 warn me about it what are you trying to 718 00:43:02,530 --> 00:42:58,460 tell me about and bring that along with 719 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:02,540 you into something new or say you know I 720 00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:06,410 see you now let's what let that part of 721 00:43:12,310 --> 00:43:08,630 my mind and by other parts of my mind 722 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:12,320 look at this in a new way and look for 723 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:16,250 the positive in it then then you're 724 00:43:20,830 --> 00:43:18,530 bringing all of yourself along you know 725 00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:20,840 a lot of that fell teacher than that 726 00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:23,870 that criticism that we all are trained 727 00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:29,270 into and do over and over again that is 728 00:43:34,060 --> 00:43:31,670 what you're doing is you're arguing with 729 00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,070 yourself you're saying I'm worthless and 730 00:43:40,090 --> 00:43:37,040 then party you / you this thing I'm not 731 00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:40,100 worthless I'm lying you know 732 00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,500 well we'll quit arguing with yourself 733 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:44,720 and say hey work was part of yourself 734 00:43:52,570 --> 00:43:48,670 come along with me and let's go find 735 00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,580 some the cool things about me you know 736 00:44:00,280 --> 00:43:54,560 accepting yourself 737 00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,290 in all your glory and all your junk in a 738 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:01,760 very peaceful place 739 00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:04,010 yes and stop arguing with yourself 740 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:09,560 yesterday you know what don't match the 741 00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:13,510 this weird picture I have a perfection 742 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:23,150 but their minds you don't try to maybe 743 00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:25,250 try to improve in one way or another 744 00:44:31,870 --> 00:44:28,760 either but you can only make those 745 00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:31,880 changes in yourself when you've accepted 746 00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:34,040 who you are right now and say you know 747 00:44:41,380 --> 00:44:36,200 I'm a little weak in that area and I'd 748 00:44:44,860 --> 00:44:41,390 like to I'd like to express myself the 749 00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:44,870 enculturation you mentioned there of 750 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:47,180 course that that does exist and I think 751 00:44:53,830 --> 00:44:50,930 that's where you know we go back to core 752 00:44:56,290 --> 00:44:53,840 beliefs with people and dealing with 753 00:44:59,080 --> 00:44:56,300 well you know you're behaving in this 754 00:45:01,090 --> 00:44:59,090 way because your core belief tells you 755 00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:01,100 that this is true maybe we need to 756 00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:05,030 examine that but moving on from the very 757 00:45:11,890 --> 00:45:07,400 practical application of things and back 758 00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:11,900 into your experiences and I'm going to 759 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:15,500 skip up to you know our meeting at the 760 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:18,050 Monroe Institute and an experience that 761 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:21,010 we had together at the Monroe Institute 762 00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:24,170 when we were doing the lifelines journey 763 00:45:33,820 --> 00:45:29,900 and we were on what what we'll have to 764 00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,830 say that we were roommates and inside of 765 00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,560 the room that we inhabited and we slept 766 00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:39,440 in that night was something called a 767 00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:44,000 check which is a bed a sort of a small 768 00:45:49,810 --> 00:45:47,420 bed surrounded we were sort of sort of 769 00:45:53,050 --> 00:45:49,820 like a bed in a cabinet is that is that 770 00:45:55,060 --> 00:45:53,060 how we would describe it and when we put 771 00:45:59,350 --> 00:45:55,070 on our earphones and we would meditate 772 00:46:03,280 --> 00:45:59,360 in this cabinet cot so to speak and we'd 773 00:46:05,890 --> 00:46:03,290 also sleep there at night and one day a 774 00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:05,900 couple of maybe a day or two into our 775 00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:07,400 program 776 00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:10,790 we had a group meditation all of our 777 00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,190 group 18 or 22 people 778 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:16,160 that's about the common number of people 779 00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:19,010 in a program we all went to meditate in 780 00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,880 our checks and it's a guided meditation 781 00:46:28,890 --> 00:46:25,280 at the beginning we're guided into a 782 00:46:32,530 --> 00:46:28,900 different level of consciousness and 783 00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,540 during that guided meditation it stops 784 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:34,640 the guiding stops at a certain point and 785 00:46:40,090 --> 00:46:36,470 you go off and you have your own 786 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:40,100 experience well when when I got out of 787 00:46:47,710 --> 00:46:45,410 the check after the the meditation who 788 00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,720 was i standing there looking at you and 789 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:49,280 you know in the flesh-and-blood night I 790 00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:51,650 said to you something to the effect of 791 00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:54,200 Natalie I just saw you in my meditation 792 00:46:59,710 --> 00:46:57,070 and we were in a hall a giant gymnasium 793 00:47:03,430 --> 00:46:59,720 where we were looking down from above it 794 00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:03,440 at hundreds of of bodies laying on white 795 00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:08,000 marble plinth stands like these plants 796 00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:11,060 of white marble and they were like these 797 00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:14,300 people laying on on these plants and and 798 00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:17,420 they were obviously had had passed on 799 00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:20,660 and we were seeing them and to my great 800 00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:23,710 surprise you had seen the same thing 801 00:47:33,310 --> 00:47:28,940 yeah yeah and actually that happens 802 00:47:36,330 --> 00:47:33,320 quite often in programs where everybody 803 00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,340 is meditating at the same time and and 804 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:39,200 you know there when you work with one 805 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:43,370 group for a a few days you really kind 806 00:47:50,650 --> 00:47:47,570 of develop the group energy to and in 807 00:47:53,230 --> 00:47:50,660 some real interesting connections 808 00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:53,240 between people but yeah it hadn't 809 00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,060 happened to me before and so that was 810 00:48:01,720 --> 00:47:57,920 really fun and really interesting well 811 00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:01,730 it happens years ago with a friend of 812 00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:05,680 mine yeah and I think a lot of people 813 00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:11,000 have had similar experiences not like 814 00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,780 necessarily going to a very particular 815 00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:20,000 state of consciousness but I've had 816 00:48:24,310 --> 00:48:21,230 quite a few people 817 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:24,320 tell me about dreaming something and 818 00:48:28,570 --> 00:48:27,170 then waking up and talking to that other 819 00:48:30,099 --> 00:48:28,580 person they find their dream and the 820 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:30,109 other person is like well I had that 821 00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:43,730 same dream last night you know then 822 00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:45,020 we're gonna get together over the 823 00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:46,790 weekend and discuss our dreams I've 824 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:49,430 never been able to actually hook myself 825 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:51,230 up with one of those programs but I 826 00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:53,450 certainly certainly find that extremely 827 00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:57,200 fascinating so tell us tell us a little 828 00:49:00,940 --> 00:48:58,910 bit about what you're doing now 829 00:49:05,970 --> 00:49:00,950 you know what we're I know there was one 830 00:49:09,490 --> 00:49:05,980 point at which you were making handmade 831 00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:09,500 you were throwing pots for the purpose 832 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:13,750 of being used for ashes for fallen 833 00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:40,330 soldiers cremation and very short time 834 00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,220 because after the book came out and 835 00:49:47,140 --> 00:49:44,960 after I did a couple interviews I 836 00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:47,150 started getting a lot of phone calls and 837 00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:50,900 emails from people wanting readings so I 838 00:49:57,310 --> 00:49:54,950 do psychic readings so that just got to 839 00:49:59,410 --> 00:49:57,320 be so overwhelming trying to keep up 840 00:50:04,450 --> 00:49:59,420 with that that I just closed the urn 841 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:04,460 business and now I I do give readings 842 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:11,810 and I also as you mentioned first I am a 843 00:50:18,099 --> 00:50:14,690 facilitator a trainer at the Monroe 844 00:50:20,609 --> 00:50:18,109 Institute trophy weeks each year and I'm 845 00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:20,619 also working with a couple of colleagues 846 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:26,510 with some Sun sound technologies similar 847 00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:29,090 to the neuron stitute technologies and 848 00:50:35,020 --> 00:50:31,960 we're putting together some new programs 849 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:35,030 one that we are offering 850 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:36,650 the violence that you called me venture 851 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:40,490 Iseman but we're also working on 852 00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:46,330 programs for people with PTSD TBI 853 00:50:53,730 --> 00:50:50,470 addiction problems things like that what 854 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:53,740 what we think is going on with these 855 00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:57,770 sound technologies is that it's it's 856 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:01,520 first of all it gets people into a deep 857 00:51:07,450 --> 00:51:03,530 state of relaxation which a lot of 858 00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:07,460 people can't get you and then it helps 859 00:51:16,810 --> 00:51:11,030 to reset actually reset the neurological 860 00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:16,820 system into into health you know a lot 861 00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:18,380 of times if we can get out of the way of 862 00:51:23,290 --> 00:51:20,870 our bodies our bodies know how to heal 863 00:51:26,110 --> 00:51:23,300 and if we can get out of the way of our 864 00:51:28,030 --> 00:51:26,120 minds online no I feel but a lot of 865 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:28,040 times we can't do that we can't get to 866 00:51:33,370 --> 00:51:29,810 that point where we can get out of the 867 00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:33,380 way right the sound technologies it 868 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:35,780 looks like you know we don't nobody 869 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:38,450 knows exactly what's going on with them 870 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:42,170 but they seem to be having positive 871 00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:48,170 effects I'm sorry are we talking about 872 00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,160 Sam 873 00:51:57,700 --> 00:51:51,680 like the special angle modulation a 874 00:52:29,940 --> 00:51:57,710 technique or something I know the works 875 00:52:29,950 --> 00:52:39,320 research in pharmacy 876 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:41,600 find out which plants were used to cure 877 00:52:47,780 --> 00:52:44,370 different diseases and be interesting to 878 00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:47,790 see if some of the you know I always 879 00:52:58,850 --> 00:52:56,760 hate to say primitive frequencies and 880 00:53:00,440 --> 00:52:58,860 notes they used for different because 881 00:53:01,460 --> 00:53:00,450 certainly has different songs for 882 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:01,470 different occasions 883 00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:06,570 I mean a friend of mine in high school 884 00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:11,250 used to convert she'd take one frequency 885 00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:14,460 of a sound and why it was the frequency 886 00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:17,670 of light and when she played a song that 887 00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:19,140 would sort of light up it was really 888 00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:21,900 sort of cool idea I mean at the time it 889 00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:24,540 was just like game for her but I I don't 890 00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,180 touch I've absolutely no idea what any 891 00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:30,240 further but I thought sound is really 892 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:41,990 very amusing as enormous effect and 893 00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:47,490 singing especially often singing with 894 00:53:57,970 --> 00:53:53,910 other people has helped people reach 895 00:54:01,520 --> 00:53:57,980 altered states whether individual herbs 896 00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:01,530 there's all kinds of traditions that you 897 00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:07,500 found and in the in both focusing 898 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:11,070 attention and in expanding your 899 00:54:22,580 --> 00:54:15,570 consciousness very interesting strikes 900 00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:22,590 me about those despite using the people 901 00:54:28,420 --> 00:54:25,020 I've met that are interested in it are 902 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:28,430 very serious very as you say very aged 903 00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:31,410 merciless and you seem to have a good 904 00:54:45,590 --> 00:54:40,020 sense of body experience this is still 905 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:48,590 sense of humor is key I mean if you 906 00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:50,490 can't laugh at yourself you're too you 907 00:54:57,490 --> 00:54:52,800 might be you might be taking yourself 908 00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,500 too seriously we have these ideas 909 00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:00,420 actually this cultural idea that things 910 00:55:24,580 --> 00:55:02,910 that are holy and thinking those things 911 00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:32,540 sometimes you know there is something 912 00:55:54,830 --> 00:55:46,230 about it that the universe and humor is 913 00:55:57,110 --> 00:55:54,840 holy it's very healing taking myself a 914 00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:57,120 little bit too seriously I'm more than 915 00:56:15,320 --> 00:55:58,920 willing to find a joke somewhere in 916 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:15,330 there that's a great I would have to say 917 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:18,810 that's a great attitude to have in life 918 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:22,290 to take things not quite so seriously 919 00:56:29,060 --> 00:56:26,130 and realize we we're here for about a 920 00:56:30,830 --> 00:56:29,070 brief moment in time and we're going to 921 00:56:33,350 --> 00:56:30,840 go somewhere else 922 00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:33,360 and and you seem to have a better idea 923 00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:35,940 of where we're going then most people 924 00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:39,960 certainly a more more formed idea than I 925 00:56:46,070 --> 00:56:42,180 do or you know although I have 926 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:46,080 experiences I don't claim to have any 927 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:49,530 idea of exactly where I'm going well 928 00:56:56,540 --> 00:56:52,290 actually first I neither do i but I 929 00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:56,550 don't care what I care about that's 930 00:57:02,090 --> 00:56:58,530 that's it that's good 931 00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:02,100 a very good attitude to have that to be 932 00:57:08,570 --> 00:57:04,440 in the now to always be in the now and 933 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:08,580 that frees up a lot of your senses to be 934 00:57:16,030 --> 00:57:11,130 sensing what's around you at the moment 935 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:16,040 and be more hyper aware of all clues 936 00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:25,890 both sensory and otherwise I mean I 937 00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:28,470 think I have a little idea of what you 938 00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:30,660 are saying that you know I don't know 939 00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:33,000 what's up I've had and maybe I have a 940 00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:34,710 little bit clearer idea of that but 941 00:57:41,570 --> 00:57:38,280 honestly there's an infinity out there 942 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:41,580 so it may be that when I next need my 943 00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:44,010 body I might go somewhere that is 944 00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:46,800 totally different you know we have an 945 00:57:52,460 --> 00:57:50,700 infinity of choice out there and a 946 00:57:57,380 --> 00:57:52,470 choice of experience because the 947 00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:57,390 universe is infinite so you know if you 948 00:58:02,240 --> 00:57:59,160 can find a little bit of humor and a 949 00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:02,250 little bit of anticipation in that and 950 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:07,200 say you know this could be fun then that 951 00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:10,530 really changes how it has the potential 952 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:15,510 to change how you think about now that's 953 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:18,690 extremely encouraging that we can end on 954 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:42,740 your wonderful book the application of 955 00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:46,050 impossible things Thank You Natalie and 956 00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:48,870 and I look forward to seeing you soon in 957 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:01,280 body and out of body thanks again okay 958 00:59:09,290 --> 00:59:05,610 good shattered reality we are going to 959 00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,300 ask you to like our Facebook page which 960 00:59:16,940 --> 00:59:11,760 is shattered reality radio 961 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:16,950 and if you have comments you can reach 962 00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:25,290 us at WWE had cast comm and we'd love to 963 00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:27,240 hear from you we would we would love to 964 00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:29,390 hear from you we we know that we have 965 00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:33,900 listeners from North America and from 966 00:59:40,220 --> 00:59:37,040 various places in Europe and even 967 00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,230 listeners in Japan so wherever you are 968 00:59:49,630 --> 00:59:42,720 out there how about giving us a holler 969 00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:53,390 I'm sure if you want to listen to some 970 01:00:05,510 --> 00:59:56,880 hema sync sounds tonight when you go to 971 01:00:07,790 --> 01:00:05,520 sleep I'd be happy to supply you with us 972 01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:07,800 we'd love to hear what you think about 973 01:00:12,349 --> 01:00:10,200 all this Natalie said Byrne is an 974 01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:12,359 absolutely fascinating personality we